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Oliver Lyttelton

Mon. 1 Mar.10,
13:39

[Reply (8 of 12) to:
'90 excitation pulse vs 180 inversion pulse'
started by: 'Bjorn Redfors'
on Sat. 27 Jun.09]


 
  Category: 
Basics and Physics

 
90 excitation pulse vs 180 inversion pulse
Okay, so this thread is answering close to a question I had, which is how to conceptually understand what happens with alpha>90 degrees excitation pulses.
I can imagine spinning tops, precessing at the Larmor frequency, I can imagine that as you apply the excitation pulse which is always in the transverse plane to the main magnet, you start to pull the tops further away from the B0 axis and bring them into coherence so like lots of little lighthouses they are all bright/dark in phase with each other. I can imagine a 90 degree pulse bring the spins completely into the transverse plane. I can imagine them relaxing, dephasing quickly and then slowly reducing their angle of precession back up towards initial state close to direction B0.

But what I can't understand in my (rather newtonian) model, is what happens as you continue to excite beyond the 90 degree transverse plane. I sort of get that somehow the spins continue to rotate in some (weird) dimension, and that they have to come back through that (weird) dimension first before returning from 90 degrees back to the relaxed state. But what happens in "weird" dimension is beyond my conceptual model. Can someone extend my model for me, preferrably without signal equations?

tar muchly,

Oliver
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Sam Shelly

Sun. 2 Nov.08,
23:02

[Reply (2 of 3) to:
'Regarding recovery and decay [basic phycisc]'
started by: 'harry sanders'
on Sat. 7 Jun.08]


 
  Category: 
Basics and Physics

 
Regarding recovery and decay [basic phycisc]
Right on.

Recovery and delay are two separate physical processes like the last guy said. It had me stumped for a while when I was studying as well. But read carefully and think hard about it...

T1 recovery is the return of net magnetization into alignment with b0.

T2 decay is a totally different process and is, as the previous person said, simply loss of net magnetization in the transverse plain due to dephasing. The more electrons that are precessing in phase in the transverse plane, the stronger the NMV is in that plane. And, hence forth, when the RF pulse terminates, the influence of b0 gradually dephases the electrons in the transverse plane. As they dephase, the transverse NMV decreases accordingly, until the next pulse hits, rephasing the electrons and starting the process all over.

Hope that helps. MRI physics is hairy and boring at times. Load up on expressos to stay awake and stick with it, because studying MRI physics can be like taking a bottle of sleeping pills.
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John Jackson

Fri. 12 Sep.08,
08:48

[Reply (1 of 3) to:
'Regarding recovery and decay [basic phycisc]'
started by: 'harry sanders'
on Sat. 7 Jun.08]


 
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Basics and Physics

 
Regarding recovery and decay [basic phycisc]
Hi,

I'm not so sure but I think because different physical process are being involved. Longitudal relaxation has got something to do with energy exchange to the environment. Transverse relation occurs because of spin dephasing (magnetic inhomogenity.)

John
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Reader Mail

Sun. 6 May.07,
17:28

[Start of:
'OVS & phase refocussing'
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OVS & phase refocussing
Why do we need to rephase spins in outer-volume regions after their excitation, still applying a crusher gradient afterward? Is this not too much work, rephasing and then dephasing them?
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